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I Think That I Chose My Parents.

by Englishman in

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do you believe in reincarnation?.

i dont think i believe in it in the same way that most believers do, which is that we keep coming back in different fleshly bodies until we have achieved perfection.. i do, however, strongly suspect that we may well be spirit creatures who find it necessary to inhabit a fleshly body from time to time, and that this entails us having to leave behind most of our past memories.. i say most memories, because many people seem to have some vestigal recollections that don`t seem to fit in with earthly experiences.. i`m pretty sure that i chose my parents!

i have a recollection of being shown a young and kind couple through some form of astral telescope and choosing to become their son.

dark clouds

PerfectPie:

You are a prime example of the ignorant attitude that drives me to learn more, to further my knowledge, and to solidify my STATEMENTS with facts. You are also, the example of the mental atrophy that drove me from the borg. . .

I am really glad that you are here. Cause this is the second time i come across one of your responses, and im sure its not your fault, but you are in dire need of brain drying, all the water used to brain wash you is making your head heavy and making you sound, well . . .
it is obvious what you sound like. and now that i know exactly where you stand, i really hope that your you can muster the strength and knowledge to back up the foolish remarks that are leaking from your mouth. . .

three things for now before i come back with some interesting discussion material:
1. reincarnation requires much less faith than the beliefs handed at the borg-dom halls, sit in nature for a few hours and observe the NATURAL cycle of interaction. . .
2. the only thing that is concrete about the bible is the fact that it is written down on paper and it is bound at a printing press,
3. most if not all of eastern philosophy and religion support the idea of a transmigration of souls (another term for reincarnation), oh yeah, Plato, Hypocrates, Pythagoras, Socrates, these names sound familiar? they backed up the concept also, and while we are here, the term read as 'resurrection' has a possible connotation to the term 'reincarnation' due to typos and mis-translations it is highly possible that these words are interchangeable, but dont take my word for i do the homework. . .

ill be back with some interesting shite for you mate. . .

Englishman: Thankyou for having the cojones and starting this thread. I agree with you, we are taught to need physical proof, and to have faith in the unseen and what is to come (seems like a contradiction yet again), yet when we experience such 'phenomena' seems like all faith is lost, and all is to be quickly dismissed,
I have a hunch that these occurences are the things Jesus refered to when he said for those to have ears to listen and those who had eyes to see. . .

tapping into my senses

CHUCK

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I Think That I Chose My Parents.

by Englishman in

jw
friends

do you believe in reincarnation?.

i dont think i believe in it in the same way that most believers do, which is that we keep coming back in different fleshly bodies until we have achieved perfection.. i do, however, strongly suspect that we may well be spirit creatures who find it necessary to inhabit a fleshly body from time to time, and that this entails us having to leave behind most of our past memories.. i say most memories, because many people seem to have some vestigal recollections that don`t seem to fit in with earthly experiences.. i`m pretty sure that i chose my parents!

i have a recollection of being shown a young and kind couple through some form of astral telescope and choosing to become their son.

dark clouds

"Within the Pefect symmetry of a circle, is held the essential nature of the universe. Strive to learn from it . . . to reflect that order"

This statement was written down in the 12th century illustrating the Celtic culture's respect and awareness toward nature's cycles. Their beliefs revolved around a reflection of natural cycles clearly visible in nature. . .
1. the cycle of death and rebirth
2. the seasonal cycles of rotation
3. the circular movement of the sun, moon, planets & constellations
4. the ebb and flow of the ocean tides
5. the migration of birds and beasts

The triscale (trisklene) was a symbol of the motion of these cycles and their continous nature---always growing and returning again to the same point on a slightly higher level---rebirth.

Being the poets that they were the following prose came about which illustrated the essential nature of this belief:

I died as a mineral and became a plant,
I died as a plant and rose to animal,
I died as an animal and i was man,
Why should i fear? When was i ever less by dying?
Yet once more i shall die as man, to soar
In the Blessed Realm; but even from godhood
I must pass on. . .

They felt that all consciousness was essentially the same--seperated only by their accumulated experience. In other words, humans had at one time been all of the less complex life-forms at some point in time, and the only difference between them was that their souls differed only in complexity and concentration, which was determined by their successive lifecycles. All souls were considered eternal and were in the process of expanding beyond the experiential bounds of their current state---constantly heading towards the beyond. When a soul became saturated with the experiences of its present life-form, following the cycle, it moved on to a higher concentration. Regression is impossible in this belief.

As far as the Hindu version of Transmigration. A soul can regress as a form of punishment for bad karma. And its final destination would be Nirvana.

Though i tend to side more with the celtic view for reasons i wont disclose now, either of these beliefs win me over from the concept of heaven and hell, because for one, these theories teach me to be responsible for my own actions, regardless of what they might be, two the thought of ascending to a higher realm based on knowledge and experience and at my own choice is a very pleasant way for me to deal with death, at least physical death, and three it gives my life a sense of purpose amongst all the chaos that is.

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Special assembly day

by comment in

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i attended a local special assembly day yesterday.

didn't seem like too much had changed overall.

however, i've got some questions.. 1) when did the society decide to revert to allowing witnesses to study more than one book with their bible studies?

dark clouds

for the benefit of us who never caught on to the changes in "light" found in the united book, would someone like to share these for the benefit of the board. . .

Thank you in advance

CHUCK

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How Well Do You Know The Bible?

by dark clouds in

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i want to share a perspective, with everyone that comes here to read, for i feel it will take some of us in a new direction.

perhaps it will allow for some creative thinking and interesting discussion or maybe it simply wont go anywhere.

it does not really matter either way, for there are subjects which can only be speculated on and thoughts which can only be shared.

dark clouds

been duplicating all morning

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How Well Do You Know The Bible?

by dark clouds in

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friends

i want to share a perspective, with everyone that comes here to read, for i feel it will take some of us in a new direction.

perhaps it will allow for some creative thinking and interesting discussion or maybe it simply wont go anywhere.

it does not really matter either way, for there are subjects which can only be speculated on and thoughts which can only be shared.

dark clouds

is there a glytch in the matrix????

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How Well Do You Know The Bible?

by dark clouds in

jw
friends

i want to share a perspective, with everyone that comes here to read, for i feel it will take some of us in a new direction.

perhaps it will allow for some creative thinking and interesting discussion or maybe it simply wont go anywhere.

it does not really matter either way, for there are subjects which can only be speculated on and thoughts which can only be shared.

dark clouds

simon what is going on?????

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How Well Do You Know The Bible?

by dark clouds in

jw
friends

i want to share a perspective, with everyone that comes here to read, for i feel it will take some of us in a new direction.

perhaps it will allow for some creative thinking and interesting discussion or maybe it simply wont go anywhere.

it does not really matter either way, for there are subjects which can only be speculated on and thoughts which can only be shared.

dark clouds

Moridin: cool, let me get the authors name to the book you refered to, and in exchange check this one out it blew my mind
The Mystical Life of Jesus by H. Spencer Lewis, F.R.C., Ph.D.

I Ching: anytime you want to smoke. . .

PerfectPie: i love a great discussion and i feel we are up for one. . . First of all, thank you for that correction between Peter and John,

I will agree that Jesus picked Paul when he was on his way to Damascus because Paul says so in his book of Acts, so we can accept this as fact (makes perfect sense no?). . .this story like many others i consider part of the christian myth a use of the church to enhance the myth of who Jesus was in order to enhance his divinity and give the church a stronger foundation in which to claim its right.

I can look at this several ways, Paul could purely be a concoction of the church, all those so called writings of his, were created by the church founders of the time to have validation for all the rules to come. Paul could have been factual and indeed written, but he was a fanatic, he swung from one end of the pendelum to the next, not quite finding his center. So, if i do accept this i would not only have to question Jesus' judgement, but wonder why the other remaining 7 loyal apostles had nothing to contribute as far as writing. Aside from the fact that nowhere is Paul told to write, the only order he is given is to wait at the city(Acts 9:6). Compare Paul for a second to a newly babtized individual who claims to be annointed.

Second point you mentioned, was that everyone spoke more than one language, ok, sure its Europe ill concede, but what i wont agree with, unless you can back it, is that jesus needed the old testament as proof of who he was, werent his 3 years of preaching and miracles enough to state the fact? besides when he died didnt the curtain at the temple rip thus nullifying the old laws? So why then the need to rehash them into the new faith?

Look the jews denied him and the catholics claimed him their own and took possession of the bible by interpreting it, rewriting it, and banning it, most of the writings we have on him are over 70 years old, i find that fact highly questionable, and also the fact that he lived in jerusalem and his beliefs were carried elsewhere, though justified by, again christian persecution, adds to the power of myth. . .

Taking the man and not the myth

aka Shady Nimbus
CHUCK

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